Everything to Lose: Who's in Charge in the Middle East?

Everything to Lose: Who's in Charge in the Middle East?
By Susan Morrison – August 11, 2008

There is one belligerent nation in the Middle East. Exactly one.
Stretching from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan there is only one nation in
which nearly a century has dared infringe upon a neighbor, save for
colonial powers. Israel. I make exception here for Hafez al-Assad and
Anwar Sedot's ill-fated gamble to regain lost territory from Israel in
1973. It was a good gamble, a two-pronged assault which may have
regained lost territory, the Golan Heights for Syria and the Sinai
Peninsula, in whole, for Egypt. But it was the master of statescraft,
Henry Kissinger, and Sedot's betrayal of Assad which cut those desires
short. Egypt maintained a portion of the Sinai, but Syria and Lebanon
suffered many losses and came up short. Israel has repeatedly attacked
Egypt, Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Syria in its fanatical quest
to not only drive Palestinians out of Israel, but to seek them out
wherever they live through war. In 1947, 1948, and 1967 Israel was
driven by its quest to control the whole of what was Palestine, and
deny Palestinians a home. In 1973 Israel responded to an attack on
their "sovereignty": occupying other nations' land. In 1976 and 1982,
Isarel bombed and invaded Lebanon again, killing those who resisted,
and slaughtering all who remained in Palestinian refugee camps.
Periodic bombing campaigns never did cease, and Israel did not
withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon until 2000.

When Gilad Shalit was captured in 2006 by Hamas in Gaza, it was the
pretext Israel had been waiting for to bomb and invade Lebanon once
again. Something, with tensions escalating from the near daily
bombardment and border skirmishes, was going to give. The
disproportionate amount of bombing which ensued, along with the
Israeli invasion up to the Litani River, is stunning. Every industry,
highway, port, airport, and communications system along with the rest
of the nation was obliterated. From Tripoli to the Bakaa Valley to
Sidon the nation was bombarded with legal and illegal ordinance. Much
of it remains; collateral damage as a reminder of what has always been
and what is to come. The entire infrastructure of Lebanon was
destroyed. The Lebanese army held its positions to the best of its
ability, but without reinforcements from Syria it did little good.
Remember, nobody cheered in rainbow colored celebrations when Syria
withdrew its troops from Lebanon on international demand prior to the
invasion. It was Hezbollah, with Sheik Nasrallah rallying the nation,
a surrogate for the Lebanese army in disarray and much dysfunctional
after the wars of the 1980s and 90s, who struck back in a gallant but
largely ineffective manner. Lebanon holds little chance to rebuild
while the bombing campaign periodically continues and Israel occupies
the south. There is only one reason to annihilate Lebanon in such a
manner: incapacitate them as a prelude to an all-out war for political
ends. Israel finally knew, for all the talk of Iran as Lebanon's
master, just how much this tiny nation, enemy of none, could respond
to an attack.

This not satisfying Israel, in May 2007 they lay siege to one of the
largest Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Nahr al Bared, on the
outskirts of Tripoli. International relief workers were bombed when
they attempted to gain access to the camp, just as they had been
denied access to Jenin in the West Bank when Israel invaded, detained,
and killed 100's of Palestinians at the beginning of the second
intifada. The Lebanese army surrounded Nahr al Bared, and everyone who
wanted to escape the bombardment was allowed to leave and did.
Conspicuously missing from all news reports, however, is the Lebanese
army ever entering the Palestinian refugee camp. They never did.
Lebanon had no reason or need to attack the Palestinians, or anyone
else in Lebanon for that matter, and don't have the capacity to bomb
anyone. It was an Israeli bombing campaign, and no one knows exactly
what took place inside. Out of the 30,000 inhabitants, an estimated
500 Palestinians didn't make it out alive. General Suleiman sadly
declared after the standoff that Lebanon had "achieved what no
superpower has ever achieved." They forced the Israelis out without
conceding to their demand of denying Palestinians the right to return
to their homeland.

Syria, as well, was not spared a bombing campaign; a warning to
another friend of Iran, having a sizable Palestinian population, that
they were next. The pretext was a potential nuclear facility which
reports debunked after the fact. Indeed, the feasibility of Syria
possessing nuclear material, let alone a nuclear facility, is near
zero. The great gamble was set in motion again. A two-pronged assault:
this time with Lebanon and Syria, and those Palestinians who just
won't disappear, in the squeeze. True enough, with regime change on
the minds of Israel and the U.S., the UN is still pursuing the
languishing investigation of Rafiq Hariri's murder while waiting to
see how far the war will go this time. It was Defense Minister Barak
who said it was Syria which was of primary concern to Israel, not
Lebanon, which is easily managed. Lebanon and Syria don't require
Palestinians to become citizens, which would legitimize the annexation
of Palestinian territory, and have held out on Israel's demand not to
allow Palestinians the right to return. The right to return, Al Awda,
is still on the books with the Arab League and is a matter of
International Law, as is withdrawing to 1967's borders. Israel intends
to control the final status of Palestinian refugees, through war if
necessary.

Over the past couple years tidbits from the news stand out. There was
a man in the West Bank, who for want of some food for his family had
obtained a job with Israel. An extraordinary feat which ended when
travel restrictions were tightened in the apartheid prison, and he
lost his visa into Israel. He winded up picking through trash heaps in
one of the ghettos for anything to sell or eat. Neighbors mercilessly
taunted him. He said, "I just wanted to live a dignified life." There
were the three main Palestinian populated areas in Jordon Valley,
primarily farmers working the land. Travel restrictions again were
imposed when they became containment zones, walled off from the world
like Gaza. No word from them to date. There was the mad scramble for
homes on the Isareli side of the West Bank wall which cut off East
Jerusalem, Palestinian territory, from the Palestinians and the West
Bank. Jerusalem became the sole territory of Israel, with talk of
future Arab containment zones within. After the invasion and
subsequent occupation of Gaza in 2006 the New York Times ran a front
page photo of two Gaza schoolgirls crying. They couldn't have been
more than twelve years old. Their teacher had been shot for being a
"militant." International journalists were harassed and beaten inside
Gaza, and declared they didn't know what they could write anymore.
There were no more rules. Those journalists who could get out did. The
fate of others is unknown; Amnesty International poster children of
the future. In 2007, when the West Bank's walls completed the
apartheid prison system, Israeli Holocaust survivors staged a protest.
Prime Minister Olmert was forced to compensate them to stave off the
political embarrassment. One young Quaker boy at a meeting of American
political activists, asked, "Who will bear witness?"

At stake is the future of Israel. In 2006, Prime Minister Olmert
finally let it be known that Israel was going to declare borders. At
long last this borderless nation was going to make it official. Israel
would incorporate the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights into
Israel, with Palestinian prisons dotting the land. By 2007, talks
between Olmert and Prime Minister Abbas had degenerated to security
and communications. Not a word to the starvation diet of Israeli
controlled rations. In the much lauded talks in Annapolis, MD, Saudi
Arabia insisted on the inclusion of the Arab League's language of
preserving Palestinians' right to return. This was left out of the
final negotiations for relations between Israel and the Palestinians.
Israel has no intention of allowing Palestinians to live in the
upcoming state of Israel. In 2008, Israel divested from the few
remaining Palestinian industries in Gaza, gutting the economy, and
leaving them with nothing but international handouts Israel deemed
benefit the territory. Prime Minister Olmert had embraced a policy of
disengagement. At the so-called 60th Anniversary of the State of
Israel in 2008, which was actually in 2007 according to International
Law, heads of state declared "it added insult to injury" when in
visiting Prime Minister Olmert in Israel for the affair, for lack of a
more presentable place to go, they had to visit Prime Minister Abbas
in Egypt. No tours of the apartheid prisons. The Palestinians of Gaza
and the West Bank, stateless and imprisoned, at the mercy of Israel,
now share the same rations behind walls with watchtowers and locked
gates. Starve them off so they don't know they're dying until they're
dead. Potential genocide. "Who will bear witness?"

Thus, with the future status of Palestinians in limbo, Lebanon and
Syria are preparing for war; but all I read about these days is Israel
and the Bush Administration's trumpet of the Iranian nuclear threat to
the region. The hype grows everyday, and whether our guns are pointed
their way or not, regardless, Israel has threatened to bomb Iran's
nuclear facilities. Recently Israel carried out a mission with
hundreds of fighter jets over the Mediterranean for just this possible
eventuality. Despite their nuclear capabilities, Israel declared they
cannot allow Iran to possess "the bomb." Iran retaliated by testing
their missiles, with a promise of more to come. All declare war is
imminent. Iran does possess the capability to enrich Uranium, but it
is a nascent program not yet capable of nuclear energy let alone
nuclear bombs. It is also under the watchful eyes of the IAEA, unlike
Israel's nuclear program. The future of Iran, in so far as nuclear
material, lays in the energy of the future: nuclear energy. It would
most likely extend west into Turkey, and north into the Caucasus of
the Russian Federation and thus, Europe, consolidating and stabilizing
the two regions. When President Bush was asked about Israel's
provocative remarks regarding Syria and the increasingly vitriol
remarks regarding Iran's nuclear program, with the timing of war on
the mind President Bush said, "Don't surprise us." We're ready. An
estimated 50,000 U.S. troops are stationed on the border of Iraq and
Syria, and border skirmishes have not ceased since the Iraq War began.

President Ahmadinejad has in turn made increasingly belligerent
remarks to Israel and the U.S. regarding their stance towards Iran's
nuclear program. It is not surprising given the war talk he hears
daily. The United Nations' resolutions are toothless, and when a new
round of unilateral sanctions from the U.S. began, Iran changed
currencies where needed and diverted all revenue into secure financial
institutions. They are also oil and gas rich, have the largest
untapped reserves in the world next to Russia, and recently reached an
agreement with India to deliver gas through the Iran-Pakistan-India
pipeline. After years of negotiations, the deal has been finalized.
Further, relations with Turkey are sound, with the future of energy on
everyone's mind. They have never been so well off over the past 200
years; the benefit of good leadership and independence. Yet subsidies
for the poor have been slashed, and oil is being rationed. All
available revenue and oil is being diverted to defense. Russia has
reinforced Iran's fighting capabilities with missile defense systems,
radars, fighter jets, and promises to invest in their nuclear program
further in the future. Iran is not afraid of being attacked by the
U.S. or Israel, knowing retaliatory strikes further destabilizing Iraq
and potentially involving Turkey is the last thing the U.S. needs
right now. To the contrary, Iran is gearing up for war because of our
intentions of invading and bombing Syria at the behest of Israel.

Look at the map. Iran is a strong, independent nation with a seemingly
endless border looming over Iraq. They are not much of a threat to
Israel, but they are a threat to the U.S. while we are at war with
Afghanistan and Pakistan in the east, and occupy Iraq to the west. The
U.S. would not preemptively strike and provoke a strong nation on the
border of Iraq right now, needlessly becoming involved in a costly,
bloody war for all. This would potentially undermine our intention of
controlling and occupying Iraq, at least northern Iraq, into the
distant future, and cut us out of future investment in the region
stretching north through Turkey, Georgia, and the Caucasus. But Israel
is intent on controlling Lebanon and Syria, and we appear poised to
help them out from the Iraqi border and maybe the skies. Thus, the
saber-rattling regarding potential, but non-existent Iranian nukes. It
is actually a warning for Iran not to attack us. The fate of the
Palestinians, future stability, and energy relations in the region is
up for grabs. If the U.S. bombs Syria, or Israel bombs Iran, Iran has
the pretext it needs to bomb Iraq. The threat is real, and the U.S. is
paying attention. For the first time since 1979 U.S. officials have
actually made official overtures and some effort to speak with Iran.
Ahmadinejad might come through for the Palestinians for his own
nation's future, which may give Iraqi's the impetus they need to
regain control of their nation. The U.S. is preparing for just such a
scenario.

When General Patraeus unveiled the Counterinsurgency Field Manual, FM
3-24, in 2007, two things stood out. The escalation and reorganization
would increase troops stationed along the Syrian Border and
surrounding Baghdad. The U.S. increased its troop strength along the
Syrian border to about 50,000, and added an additional 30,000 troops
to surround Baghdad, boosting the 20,000 existing troops within. The
model for resisting an uprising also stationed 20,000 troops at each
major metropolis in Iraq. That would be 20-30,000 troops in each
regional city, surrounded by communities of 300-400,000 Iraqis. The
added 30,000 troops around Baghdad are primarily stationed in
mini-bases to the East staring at Iran's border, and the South in hope
of preserving communications down to Basra. But do the math, even if
all the bombs don't get us, Iraqis will. The implode factor. Iraq is a
potential graveyard for all.

The Awakening in restive Al Anbar province furthered this line of
thinking for defense. The region's big families were induced to secure
the huge expanse to the west of Baghdad in exchange for weapons and a
paycheck. Security leading to the Syrian border seemed possible. The
thought was to buy Iraqis' loyalty. Assassinations were soon on the
rise, however, every potential leader vying for money and power; and
deserters to their forces continue, taking their new weapons with
them. Further, mass amounts of weapons were stolen from their
so-called secure locations; the Pentagon thought it serious enough to
investigate. So much for buying them off. Attempting to control
Baghdad doesn't accomplish much when you are unable to pacify a
nation. One thing becomes clear from this picture, however, the U.S.
is attacking Iran and its' nuclear program not because we may attack
them, with "everything on the table," but because we are preparing for
war with Iran when we invade and bomb Syria which may spur Iraqis into
an uprising against our colonial intentions.

Northern Iraq, as well, has been the site of on-going political
disputes and violence from the oil hub of Kirkuk up north to Mosul.
Largely controlling Georgia, the U.S. enlisted 3,000 Georgian troops
to fight in northern Iraq, and the government recently approved an
initiative to enlarge their armed forces by 5,000. The severe
instability which ensued threw relations with Turkey into a crisis.
Congress, seemingly unaware of the diplomatic furor taking place,
further threatened Turkey with a resolution condemning the Armenian
genocide of World War I. Turkey lodged a formal protest. The bombing
in northern Iraq escalated to such an extent that Defense Secretary
Gates had to step in to tell Congress to back off. The resolution was
killed. Additionally, Secretary Rice had to pay a visit to northern
Iraq, much to the chagrin of Jalal Talabani, to tell everyone to cool
it; and the final status of Kirkuk is on hold for the foreseeable
future. The violence has since dramatically declined, and ceases to be
more than a power struggle. This had sparked, however, a chain of
events in Turkey. President Abdullah Gul's "Islamic" political party
was challenged in court as being unconstitutional; and bombs have been
exploding across the nation. Approximately 100 military and government
personnel were arrested, staving off a potential coup, and the courts
ruled in favor of a pluralistic democracy, upholding the rights of all
political parties. President Gul, as he proved in rallying the nation
to his side, is extremely popular. The nation and government isn't
going to dissolve anytime soon. Further, Turkey has played host to
both Iran and Syria regarding the threat which looms on the horizon.
Turkey has the strongest hand in the region now and into the future,
and perhaps Washington won't talk with them, but with relations on
edge and sharing a long border with Syria, Turkey will.

Further, the hope of siphoning off oil and gas from the Caspian Sea,
through Azerbaijian, Georgia, and Turkey, has not come to fruition.
The United States had unleashed a mini-war in the Caucasus of the
Russian Federation, and it came back to haunt us. While the U.S. was
hoping to control Georgia, the Caucasus, and Ukraine with oil diverted
to Turkey, the Muslim separatists we had sponsored in attacking
Russia, with many Georgians in their midst, turned the table on us and
have repeatedly attacked the pipeline. It is still not on-line.
Classic blowback. Caspian oil to Turkey, and thus potentially Israel,
and any hope of controlling energy in the future is on hold.
Additionally, Georgian troops and bombs have infiltrated South Ossetia
and Abkhazia of the Russian Caucasus, giving Russia cause to increase
their troops on the borders; fly over Georgian airspace with a message
of their own; and boycott Georgian red wine and mineral water. The
Georgian Ambassador to Russia was recalled to Georgia for this
response to the U.S.'s proxy wars. The United Nations, however, is
considering a resolution to demand Georgia respect others'
sovereignty. Annexing Russian territory has not gone well.

The war in the Caucasus also repeatedly spilled over to Ukraine,
souring relations with the U.S. and Europe. As a result, Yushchenko
took a beating in the elections, and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko
has the votes needed in parliament between the Yanukovich and
Communist blocs, to keep NATO out of the nation and strengthen energy
relations with Russia and Iran. Iran, Russia, and Ukraine are counting
on each other for oil, gas, and nuclear energy. In turn, Europe relies
on Russia and invests in Iran for the same, as does Turkey and Syria.
Regional stability and energy relations could be strengthened to the
benefit of all. But our predatory troops and oil companies are in the
way. Iran's future lies largely with Turkey and through the north, and
we're undermining their future along with many others while occupying
Iraq and clinging to Georgia. Turkey may provide the key vote. Turkey
may deny business relations with Israel if any more bombs go off in
northern Iraq or neighboring Syria, which jeopardizes their
sovereignty, or if Iran, the Russian Caucasus, and Ukraine are
subjected to more of the same. In the end, nobody will have it; and
for those who will, good luck with relations. Bad business.

Yet Israel and the U.S. continue down the road of regime change in
Lebanon and Syria. Two nations whose only crime is being a home to
roughly two million Palestinian refugees. Thus, daily we hear the
threats of war with Iran from Israel and the U.S. The threats emanate
from Iran's right to enrich Uranium, but hedges on the future of the
Palestinians. We're threatening Iran, because Iran is a threat to us.
We're begging for it. If Israel and the U.S. attack Lebanon and Syria,
Iran will attack us for the Palestinians and Iran's future needs. The
Lebanese and Syrians are dug in for the fight. Turkey may become
involved. No matter how you spin it, the U.S. will take a beating in
Iraq. More unnecessary bloodshed. We're vulnerable and surrounded by
many hostile peoples and nations; we're not wanted in the
neighborhood. With the announced resignation of Prime Minister Olmert,
the Prime Minister of the "defeat" with Lebanon, think of the war
escalating after the U.S. and Israeli elections, when the usual
stronger, more capable Prime Minister is in place who can proclaim
"victory." Of course we could negotiate with Iran, and decide not to
be a party to genocidal wars for Israel. Escalating the war for
Israeli nationalists will unleash Iranian missiles and the Iraqi
people, and seriously undermine our future across the region. Future
investment, energy from the Caucasus, and relations with Turkey are on
the line. Again, all because the Palestinians still exist, albeit in
two other nations, and Israel is going to declare borders. A done
deal.

Susan Morrison is an Independent Contractor and freelance writer for
non-profits living in San Francisco.

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Why are those with a pathological hatred of Isrel so stupid?

Susan's article is so full of errors and raw anti-Israel propaganda that it is difficult to even read. We have the ever peaceful Israeli Arab neighbors who only want peace, justice, freedom, and worldwide love against the always evil Christ killing Demonic Jews that spread noting but death and pestilence wherever they touch foot.

yeah yeah yeah.

Impeach Bush, Cheney, throw the rest in jail. Elect Obama, and move this country and the world forward.

Leave this rancid anti-Semitic (for that's what it really is) hate out of the discussion. We have had two thousand years of it. It is time to put it to rest.

Genociding Palestinians

Every time anyone says ANY THING re;Israel, the Zionists and Likudniks Genociding Gazans, "ANTI-SEMITE, YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!" Why is it although everyone fom Palestine, 99.99999 repitend to infinity % of the Palestinians are Semites! You do know that only Palestinian's from this part of the world share a certain string of DNA that is the SAME as the Israeli's, so why should the Palestinians be murdered[800 Palestinians to 7 Israelis, last yr]be shoved and rolled over[their homes and at times their bodies]by Israel? Anti-Semite was not applicable to Jews only until the mid 1900's by a radical Zionist anyway, the Palestinians were gradually shoved off THEIR LAND by Jews fleeing Germany and Poland among a few countries due to escaping Hitler's atrocities, so why are they repeating this same disturbed behavior? DO NOT Old Testament me, that's an absurd argument. Read proper sites or books by both sides before you throw the everyday "YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!" BULLS$$T!

Iean, Israel and the ME

DonP The truth. However, no one will ever convince the Americans. The cause is hopeless, but persevere.

>...Independent Contractor

>...Independent Contractor and freelance writer...

Well, I sure hope she got paid by the word for all that.

:)

OK, Guys, I'm down on Susan Morrison...

Let's get serious here...I mean, pick a paragraph, and just refute it...I know the first part was history, and I admit, a bit tough to get through...but past that, what's your position? Come on, be clear...you may hear me as advocating, but I am really asking...ante up, please?

Chip, if I had time to read

Chip, if I had time to read something that long I'd just go to the Wikipedia entry on 'Hating Israel (and the U.S.)'

These leftist Israel-haters are sickening and as soon as I see that's what they are all about, I'm not about to give them a moment's further attention.

Clear enough?

Mike S., You're free to disregard anything...

Mike, You're free to disregard anything you wish. However, unless you actually read an article, it's biased to characterize material that you haven't read.

Oh, I read the first

Oh, I read the first paragraph:

"There is one belligerent nation in the Middle East. Exactly one.
Stretching from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan there is only one nation in
which nearly a century has dared infringe upon a neighbor, save for
colonial powers. Israel."

Ever hear of Sadam Hussein invading Kuwait, Miss Morrison? Not to mention the 6 Day War, the 1973 War, the 1948 War, all attacks on the 'evil' Israel.

Once a person evidences such breathtaking mendacity and bigotry I choose not to read on - I know the mindset at work.

That this site would publish such despicable drivel is a real shame - ADS should be better than this.

Well, Mike, if you won't waste your time

reading it, why bother wasting your time criticizing it? There's a reason I published it, which, because you won't read it, you'll never know.

Chip

If they're too lazy to read then they're too lazy or too dense to learn. There is a limit to when it becomes a waste of OUR time.

Apparition, discussing Israel

can be a third rail of discussions. But there is a difference between Zionism and Judaism, and not all Israelis are Zionists, either. I do think Susan's ultimate conclusions lend themselves to peace and justice, and that's the reason I published it.

I'm sorry Mike wouldn't read it, as he might have understood, if he had.

That said, I think you're right: there is a limit to when it becomes a waste of our time. :)

Regardless,

Thank you for publishing the article. Some of us do appreciate the cosmopolitan view of important information.

Chip, it's becoming clear

Chip, it's becoming clear just why you publish such stuff.

apparition and his Zionism-obsession apparently speaks for some people here.

I just hope David doesn't share the mindset.

What are you implying, Mike?

What are you implying, Mike?

I'm not implying anything,

I'm not implying anything, Chip, I'm asking you directly do you agree with the sick rantings of apparition or not; does David and this website endorse this kind of obsession or not.

Since there isn't a hint of rejection let alone any criticism of apparition's *cosmopolitan view* (never heard Jew hatred expressed quite that way) in your posts but rather agreement, I draw the obvious conclusion.

That plus the fact that you never addressed my calling Morrison on her blatant and laughable lie about Israel being the 'only' aggressor in the Middle East.

LesleyAnne

Let's start here, where you left off.

LesleyAnne, you wrote in your title: "I'm not implying anything,"

~Chip:) responded: O, please, don't deny what you wrote. You are implying something, don't deny it. No, LesleyAnne, you did imply something, and when I asked you to be specific, you recanted: "I'm not implying anything, Chip".

BS. Admit your contrived bait which is already answered. Read it.

>Then, LesleyAnne, you continued: "I'm asking you directly do you agree with the sick rantings of apparition or not; does David and this website endorse this kind of obsession or not.

Chip's responses: First off, your characterization of apparition's contributions as "sick rantings" enlarges the discussion beyond apparition's response; to characterize all of apparitions' postings as "sick", I most certainly am not willing to do.

LesleyAnne, you continued:

"...does David and this website endorse this kind of obsession or not."

David will, as he always has, speak for himself, and for www.AfterDowningStreet.com. But, characterizing apparition's opinion as an "obsession" is clearly your propaganda.

LesleyAnne, you wrote: "Since there isn't a hint of rejection let alone any criticism of apparition's *cosmopolitan view* (never heard Jew hatred expressed quite that way) in your posts but rather agreement, I draw the obvious conclusion."

You are marginally correct, LesleyAnne. I do not reject apparition's responses to this thread. What "obvious conclusion" do you, LesleyAnne, (again) imply? Of course, all readers note how you have contrived this discussion: that you term "*cosmopolitan view*" no less as you, LesleyAnne, contrive it to be equal to "Jew hatred."

And further, LesleyAnne, I reject your attempt to put words in my mouth, and attempt to tar me with your specious accusations.

Likewise, Susan can speak for herself.

Peace, LesleyAnne, that you may hear, and consider.

Chip

Don't you think it's about time to IP/Block the troll/spammer before someone gets hurt? He serves no purpose but to annoy and distract.

Thanks,
apparition

Run to mommy

Run to mommy apparition...

"...before someone gets hurt?...

You threaten me twice with physical harm and *I'm* the one who should be banned? Is that how this site works, Chip? I've challenged several fellow posters on this progressive site for extremely bigoted posts and now I'm getting a torrent of name calling and abuse from apparition and his minions.

However, unlike apparition, I'm an old guy who's been in the military and the workforce and I'm able to deal with challenging words without spewing threats of violence and I'm certainly not calling on ADS to ban anybody.

BTW, Chip, you are

BTW, Chip, you are responding to the right person, wrong name. I'm Mike not L.A. - apparently you see the email
address which is shared for online posting purposes.

No big deal...

:)

You are UNFIT TO MODERATE, "Chip"

Holy shit but you are unfit to moderate any kind of neutral forum if you don't see serious Anti-Semitism in Apparition's demonization of Jews - all Jews - regardless his opening and closing insane delusions that he attacks only "Zionists".

David Swanson deliberately and by explicit instruction used to tolerate racism, sexism and hate speech here. But you, Chip, go one large and crucial step further: you agree with and make apology for it.

That's a big difference.

You should go; you are incompetent and don't help anybody's cause - not even your own!

Hi Matty....

>...any kind of neutral forum...

It's not a neutral forum, any more than going to a troofer site will present any evidence that cast doubt on their fevered fantasies of what happened on 911.

Matty, we've actually got the best we can hope for here in this thread, after a bit of rough going over the past couple of days. Chip is no longer deleting my perfectly (!) innocent posts while letting verbal and physical threats stand.

That's progresss or maybe he still thinks I'm a girl and is being gallant.

LOL

OTOH, the Jew-hatred continues unabated by certain enlightened beings here BUT I'm having civil discussions with both Scott and steveth and while probably not changing any minds, they are at least listening to the arguments of an old guy.

Like any other human encounter, when you have the choice that is, interact with decent folk like Scott and steveth and (dare I brag) me, and shun the crazy and bigoted. It's not that hard, actually, they appear as ghosts so you can easily tell them from normal people.

;)

Updates from the pro-Peace, Activists and anti-Occupation....

...friends of all from http://www.freegaza.org
Bulletin from Lauren Booth
Tuesday 12th August 2008

Well here on baking, blissfully breezy Crete it has been a day of high
expectation and yes, again, disappointment.

I spent my first night on board last night, in water so calm it reminded me of
lake Geneva. Our group had enjoyed a late dinner with sympathetic locals in a
communal dwelling in what was once Chania's law court and prison. A touchingly
run down setting of past grandeur, with a vegan feats thoughtfully prepared.
Music was provided by an elderly man singing in Spanish, accompanied on the
guitar by a young man with dreadlocks n=known only ''citizen of the world'. I
finally arrived back on the boat at 2am certain I could sleep even standing up
(much less lying down on a foam mattress). Chania is a rather lively dock even
on Monday nights. The nearest taverna was hosting a family celebration complete
with Greek musicians, the clink of moonlit glasses and much enthusiastic
chatter. Suffice it to say I decided to find a vacant cabin. These are basic,
unless you lived your life trawling for sardines.

An hour later the alarm on my mobile phone went- time to take guard of the
ships with Jeff Halper, anthropologist and founder of The Israeli Committee
Against House Demolitions. The ships are never left vacant the risk of sabotage
being considered too high. Our turn as guardians of the Freegaza and Liberty
consisted of patrolling with a torch and talking noisily about subjects I was
too tired to remember afterwards. However knowing Jeff I'm certain they were
both funny and profound.

The early morning meeting saw most sailors bright eyed and eager to sail,
making plans for the longest leg of the journey to Gaza; the 3 day odyssey from
the legendary isle of Crete to Cyprus. Both ships now have professional
captains. Matthew who arrived this morning fresh from a private tour of the
Greek islands looks very young (I have insisted he grow a beard to look older
than seventeen) he assures us all that over three days his face will age. In
fact Matthew is in this thirties with a wife and children and knows the waters
between the Greek Islands intimately, the groups are very pleased to welcome
him aboard. Having spent the morning studying the charts and the local shipping
forecast (weather report) at 11 am Captain Mat (as he shall now be known)
announced

'Friday night is the perfect time to sail. Before that the journey in these
vessels from Crete to Cyprus is not so much dangerous as suicidal.'

What did we do here in Crete at that announcement? For half an hour nails were
chewed, each person went into a private purdah considering personal situations,
the financial implications of staying longer, the commitment to those hoping
for boats of hope to arrive on their shores. I know that the equally keen
volunteers in Nicosia have important business commitments they have already
delayed time and again for this mission. The news must have hit them hard.

Soon, everyone put the delay aside deciding how best to use this extra time to
prepare. Huwaida and Courtney (please see biogs to find out more about them)
are keen to brighten up both ships. Both locals and tourists who stop in front
of both ships, point to them and saying the word "Palestine' They are unsure
they have found the ships they have either heard of read about. To remedy this,
plans are afoot to paint the wheel houses in the red and green of the
Palestinian flag, interspersed, at Huwaida's suggestion, with lines of poetry
by the recently deceased Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish.

Practical preparations continue, this delay means more funding for the project
to break the siege of Gaza needs an urgent boost. Fifty travelers in two
locations need to be fed and those in Nicosia need the rent for their housing
to be covered. Meanwhile here in Crete, despite the various pressures put upon
them not one single person is leaving the project. How they cope financially
with the pressure put upon them I have no idea. The single principle, the only
thought on the minds of those here this afternoon is that thousands in Gaza are
willing on this small, independent project.

It's the people watching the horizon in Gaza that keeps everyone going here in
Crete.
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Next update:
By Ramzi Kysia in Cyprus

“Come, my friends / 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. / Push off, and
sitting well in order smite / The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds / To
sail beyond the sunset…”
--TS Eliot, “Ulysses”

Limassol, Cyprus - In a few, short days, the Free Gaza Movement, a diverse
group of international human rights activists from seventeen different
countries, will set sail from Cyprus to Gaza in order to shatter the Israeli
blockade of the Gaza Strip. I’m proud to stand with them. Over 170 prominent
individuals and organizations have endorsed our efforts, including the Carter
Center, former British Cabinet member Claire Short, and Nobel Peace Prize
laureates Mairead Maguire and Desmond Tutu.

Adam Qvist, a 22 year old student and filmmaker from Copenhagen, Denmark, is
one of the human rights workers sailing to Gaza. He explains his participation
in the project in this way:

“I’m interested in telling narratives and advocating people’s existent
feelings. The idea of sailing to Gaza is kind of crazy, but it’s also very
straight-forward. The whole idea of having just one Palestinian who’s been
forced off their land and who is able to return to Palestine - this is
something that could demolish the whole Zionist venture. And it just has to be
one person. If one person can do it, then others can do it. This project, this
boat, is about giving people the freedom to take responsibility. You
shouldn’t expect something from others if you can’t do it yourself, and
this is true both on a very personal but also on a political level.

“This mission is an amazing opportunity to have a huge impact on this
hard-locked, heart-locked, crisis. I’ve never been to Gaza, myself, but I
know that Gaza is the forgotten little brother of the Middle East, or at least
of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. Everything about this crisis is clearer in
Gaza. The Israeli occupation strategy is much clearer in Gaza, because it’s
not specifically about taking more land. It’s mostly about completely
destroying a people.”

Over two years ago, in an election process advocated by the United States, the
party of Hamas was elected to power in Occupied Palestine. In response, Israel
and the United States imposed a near total blockade on the people of Gaza in an
illegal act of collective punishment.

For more than two years, Israel has blocked Gaza’s access to tax revenues,
humanitarian aid, and even family remittances from Palestinians living abroad.
Predictably, Gaza’s economy has completely collapsed, and malnutrition rates
have skyrocketed. Today, because of the blockade, eighty percent of the people
of Gaza are dependent on United Nations’ food aid just to be able to eat.

This is intolerable.

U.S. Presidential candidate Barack Obama often speaks about the “audacity of
hope.” But hope can never be a passive emotion. Centuries ago, St. Augustine
wrote that Hope has two, beautiful daughters: Anger and Courage. To hope for a
better world is to be angry at the injustices that prevent that world from
emerging, and it requires the courage to stand up and create newer worlds for
ourselves.

Tom Nelson, a lawyer from Welches, Oregon, is sailing to Gaza to seek that
newer world. According to Tom:

“Americans are terribly ignorant of the human effects of what they support. I
think this boat is one of the most effective means of raising consciousness -
particularly American consciousness - about the problems caused by American
foreign policy. Americans have to know the consequences of these policies ...
I’m sixty-four years old, my children are grown, and my affairs are in order.
I think about Rachel Corrie, and about what Israel may do to us. I know it’s
risky, but I take a risk when I ride a motorcycle, and I think that if we’re
really going to change things then somebody has to begin putting something on
the line for that change to happen.”

Eliza Ernshire is a thirty-two year old schoolteacher from London. Her reasons
for sailing to Gaza are much the same:

“For years and years - seeing place in the world that were being totally
destroyed, and people that were being totally destroyed by other people and
governments - I thought there’s nothing that I could do. But I realized that
we can change things in small ways, and we have a responsibility to do this.

“No one is paying attention to what’s happening in Gaza. No one is
listening to Palestinians. They are slowly being strangulated by Israel, and no
one is even listening. I can’t sit outside of this and just let it happen …
We as human beings have an obligation to stand up, and I can’t be passive
about it. You can’t stand up in London and just say that you don’t agree.
We need to find ways to connect people in the Middle East, particularly young
people, to people and groups in wealthier countries. Together we can inspire
each other, and together we can be much more than we are alone.”

Eliza speaks a powerful truth. Politicians and pundits often complain that the
conflicts in the Middle East are complex and intractable, but two things are
absolutely clear: One is that the use of violence - and, in Israel’s case,
overwhelming violence - has not helped any side to achieve peace or security.
And the other is that our governments, across our entire world, have completely
failed to do anything productive to address this crisis.

It’s time we the people stand up for ourselves against unjust laws, wanton
violence, criminal blockades, and the hardness of heart that makes these thing
possible. It’s time we stand against fear-mongering and war-mongering, and
build connections, for ourselves, with our sisters and brothers in the Middle
East. Our politicians have long since failed us. Now it’s our turn to stand
up and seek a newer world for ourselves.

---
Ramzi Kysia is an Arab-American writer and activist, and a member of the Free
Gaza Movement. You can receive regular updates on their efforts to break the
siege of Gaza by signing up for their newsletter. If you’d like more
information, or if you’d like to donate to their efforts, please visit their
website at FreeGaza.org.
____________________________________________________________________________

They are being threatened by Olmert and every person that hates the Palestinians and their horrible situation being caused by the Zionists and Likudists, on this voyage is a Holocaust survivor in her 80's among other Jews who hate the Genociding of the Palestinians as well. Threatening someone just proves your inability to make use of ADULT DISCOURSE BY WAY OF DISCUSSION!

Rhoda VFP and USAF Honorably discharged disabled veteran, 75-77, DelValVets4America, Disabled Veterans of America and supporter of IVAW, VVAW and all that work for Peace, IMPEACHMENT of the MURDERER.
Okey dokey, MikeS???????????????????????????????????????

FreeGaza.org-other sources?

Thanks, Rhoda, for the link.
Your post very interesting so I went to source. What bothers me now (can't I just relax?) is that when I click on "Gandhians set to break Gaza Siege" redirects me to an article about 40 orphans taken on a field trip by the Dubai Red Crescent Authority! So, if you have any other knowledge to find out current status of the flotilla we would appreciate it. Rain

Another Middle East Pop Quiz

ZIONISM is not JUDAISM!

What is it about Zionism that makes devout, honest, pious Jews want Zionists OUT of their religion? The answer is because it is evil, deadly, beyond immoral and rotten to the core.

They pretend to be Jewish in order to intimidate people with "anti-Semitism" whining.

Until people learn that fact, Zionists will always get away with the destruction of our Republic and much more. The transfer of wealth scam will continue unabated and our broken military will eventually be destroyed in more proxy wars for Israel until Israel has conquered the entire Mid East and what is left of the United States.

What part of the Zionist's vicious, murderous hatred for Christians, Jews, Gentiles, Palestinians and Muslims do certain elements of the public not understand?

When I see US leaders, or wannabe leaders, getting into a Zionist livery by donning a Jewish skull cap and groveling to a piss-ant corrupt little "nation" for "photo ops" it makes me sick.

Bush just appropriated another $30 billion dollars in "foreign aid" for Israel while Americans face foreclosures and homelessness.

After $360+ Billion dollars of "foreign aid" for Israel, what the hell have we ever seen in return? Dead American soldiers.

And fools still whine about "anti-Semitism"?

Middle East Pop Quiz

by Charley Reese

It's time for another pop quiz on America's favorite region of the world – the Middle East. Let's get started with the subject of nuclear weapons.

Which country in the Middle East actually possesses nuclear weapons?

Israel.

Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

Israel.

Which country in the Middle East refuses to allow international inspections of its nuclear facilities?

Israel.

Which countries in the Middle East have called for the region to be a nuclear-free zone?

The Arab countries and Iran.

Which country in the Middle East occupies land belonging to other people?

Israel, which occupies a piece of Lebanon, a larger piece of Syria, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza.

Which country in the Middle East has for 60 years refused to allow refugees to return to their homes and refused to consider compensation to them for their lost property?

Israel.

Which country has roads on which citizens who are Arab may not drive and housing developments where Arabs may not live?

Israel.

Which country in the region has violated more United Nations resolutions than any other?

Israel. The United States has on more than one occasion gone to war ostensibly to enforce U.N. Security Council resolutions, but when it comes to resolutions directed against Israel, the U.S. is like the amoral monkey that sees, hears and says nothing. That raises the question of who's the dog and who's the tail?

Which country in the region has in the past been led by men who at one time were terrorists with a price on their heads?

Israel. Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir once led the Stern Gang and ordered, among other things, the assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte, a Swedish diplomat working for the United Nations. Former Prime Minister Menachem Begin led the Irgun, a terrorist gang that among other things blew up one wing of the King David Hotel, killing nearly 100 people.

Which country in the Middle East openly employs assassination against its political enemies?

Israel. There have been assassinations carried out by some of the Arab governments, but they usually don't own up to them. Israel has created a euphemism that the suck-up American press has readily adopted: "targeted killings." A British journalist told me once, "The Palestinians have a talent for picking bad leaders, and the Israelis have a talent for murdering their good ones."

What are the top five countries from which we import oil?

Here they are in order of volume: Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Nigeria and Venezuela. The next time you hear some blowhard politician ranting about how the Arabs control our oil imports, remind him or her of the facts. By far, a majority of oil imports come from non-Arab countries.

Which country in the region receives an annual gift of $3 billion or more from Congress?

Israel.

Which foreign-aid recipient is the only one allowed to receive its aid in a lump sum and which routinely invests part of it in U.S. Treasuries so that taxpayers pay them interest on the taxpayers' gift?

Israel.

Which country in the Middle East has the most powerful lobby in the U.S.?

Israel.

Which country in the Middle East are most American politicians, journalists and academics afraid to criticize?

Israel.

On behalf of which country has the U.S. vetoed the largest number of U.N. Security Council resolutions?

Israel.

What country do the people in the region consider the world's biggest hypocrite?

The United States.

Some people are just too arrogant/fear driven to learn the difference between Zionists and Jews and too apathetic to care.

The "administration" is smothered with more dual Israeli-American citizens (Zionists)than any other in US history.

Zionists have contaminated Congress and "Off the table Pelosi" is one the most repulsive example of it.

The Zionists/Neocruds have stolen our money, they have destroyed our Republic, they have exploited our military for Israel's nefarious agendas of Mid East Conquest and corporate oil, they murdered over 1.2 million innocent people (including the victims of "9/11"and destroyed over 5 million more innocent people.

They killed over 4,000 of our soldiers, permanently disabled tens of thousands more, cut their VA benefits, they have put us into unbelievable debt, they have de-valued our currency and made America the most despised nation in the world.

Sure sounds like certifiable BS from a certifyable enemy.

1SAM15:3 "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass"

Count me out of that genocidal insanity!

A standard List of Racist Question with WRONG answers

Which country in the Middle East actually possesses nuclear weapons?

PROBABLY Israel. The United States, Russia, CHina, France, Great Britain, India, and Pakistan all possess Nuclear Weapons also. It must be a crime for "Jews" to possess them .

Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

Israel. So what? It is not in Israel's best interest. That is not a crime.

Which country in the Middle East refuses to allow international inspections of its nuclear facilities?

Israel. So what? It is not in Isarel's best interest. That is not a crime. Iran and Syria have both refuse inspection also.

Which countries in the Middle East have called for the region to be a nuclear-free zone?

The Arab countries and Iran. So what?

Which country in the Middle East occupies land belonging to other people?

Israel, which occupies a piece of Lebanon (Not according to your vaunted United Nations - you copied this racist garbage from an old site), a larger piece of Syria (the GOal, used to invade Israel, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. Gaza is not occupied. In fact not a single Jew lives there. The West Bank and East Jerusalem were annexed by Jordan after 1948 and ruled buy Great Britain up until then. Neither wants them back. These lands are in dispute.

Which country in the Middle East has for 60 years refused to allow refugees to return to their homes and refused to consider compensation to them for their lost property?

Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, all ethnically cleansed their nations of Jews after 1948. They stole Jewish property that had been in Jewish ownership for thousands of years. Racists claim only the Palestinians are "refugees". Jews were ethnically cleansed from all across the Islamic world after 1948.

Which country has roads on which citizens who are Arab may not drive and housing developments where Arabs may not live?

Israel. Which country is it illegal for Jews to live, much less drive? Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Or is that okay with you?

Which country in the region has violated more United Nations resolutions than any other? A statement on the racism and worthlessness of the UN more than anything else.

All these are standard anti-Israel and anti-semitic rhetorical questions that are copied and found on dozens of racist and hateful websites. They really do not contribute to the knowledge of mankind.

Here is a statement of fact for you to ponder: If you were to extrapolate the population growth of European Jews from the Holy Roman Empire using the same growth rate of Christians from the Holy Roman Empire there would be 200 million Jews in Europe today. In the entire world there are 12 million Jews today. The "missing" 188 million Jews are a result of the constant feeding of hatred like that which you and Susan posted.

Don't you think it is time to put this hatred to rest?

Check your facts, anonymous

And do some critical research.

Israel possesses more nuclear weapons than any country in the entire Mid East.

So, it's OK for Israel to inflict brutal Nuremberg crimes against the occupied Palestinian men, women, children and babies, threaten the continent of Asia Minor with ethnic cleansing but no one except Israel should have a right to defend themselves, is that it?

"Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

Israel. So what? It is not in Israel's best interest. That is not a crime."

Let me get this straight. It's totally justified to inflict a "Holocaust" against a people who had nothing to do with a "Holocaust", right?

What are you, some kind of a warped racist supremacist?

Eastern European Jews were originally Khazars, a war like tribe that lived in Asia. They were so war mongering that the Asiatics ran them out of Asia and into eastern Europe.

Long before the Ottoman Empire the 800,000 + square mile Khazar Kingdom was so vast that when other Monarchs went to war the Khazars sold mercenaries to them.

Even today, They are still phallic worshippers. Their disgusting murderous barbarism became so unpalatable (even for them) that they decided to exploit someone else's religion for convenient window dressing.

They chose Judaism.

These Mongoloids (Mongol Empire) never had anything whatsoever to do with legitimate Judaism.

Nothing.

They never have and they are the cause of virtually EVERY misery that has befallen humanity up to the present time.

They nearly took over Germany in 1917 when they represented less than 1/2 of 1% of Germany's population but owned nearly everything.

They wanted to steal Palestine so badly that they managed to blackmail Germany and England with the wretched "Balfour Document" which became the "State of Israel".

They caused the rise of Hitler, disastrous World War I and II and obscenely enriched the Rothschilds. The Mid East has been a powder keg of violence ever since.

God's chosen are the same people who have been brutally oppressed and murdered for millennium, the true descendants of Shem and it is not bogus Zionists.

There is a special place in hell for those who try to exploit religion to justify lies, deceit, theft and murder on a genocidal scale.

A well known Jewish scholar (Dibre David) writes:

"If the Gentiles (non-Jews) knew what we are teaching against them, they would kill us."

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." (Talmud: Baba Mezia 114b)

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form." (Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855)

The Talmudic granting permission to Jews to cheat, lie, steal from and kill non-Jews. Specifically, Jews may use subterfuge (lies) to circumvent Gentiles. "We may lie to and cheat Gentiles. It is permitted for Jews to cheat Gentiles. All lies are good".

The Talmudic promotion of pedophilia: "If a grown-up has intercourse with a little girl, it is nothing, for having intercourse with a girl less than three years old is like putting a finger in the eye.

Some of the Zionist Talmud is too disgusting and sickening to be seen by civilized people.

Granted, certain elements of the American public have been stupefied by so much sleazy Zionist media, lies, fear, sodium fluoride drinking water and thimerosal vaccines that they still believe Saddam Hussein was linked to "9/11" and George W Bush is a honorable man.

A few days ago there was a Zionist sycophant here who was more dense than nuclear glue.

A sociopath. (I don't waste time on him anymore)

Have our soldiers not already shed enough blood for Israel's proxy "wars?" of conquest?

$360 + Billion dollars in "foreign aid" for Israel and what have Americans ever seen in return?

Thousands of dead American soldiers, even more insidious lies, millions of home foreclosures and $Trillions of dollars of debt.

What part of the Zionist's vicious, murderous hatred for Christians, Jews, Gentiles, Palestinians and Muslims do certain elements of the public not understand?

And you have the temerity to accuse people of hate?

And your trying to sell the morbid "anti-Semitic" scam?

That's a joke, right?

People are sick and tired of being lied to.

TO ANOMYMOUS ABOVE

NOW PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.

This is my 2 cents.
FUCK ISREAL ! Now, I didn't say fuck Jews. I said FUCK ISREAL. AnD while were at it, Fuck Saudi Arabia, Fuck Pakistan,FUCK ALL YOU ASSHOLES! But especially, FUCK ISREAL!.

FURTHERMORE, I found the pop quize above by Apparition to represent reasonable questions, and truthfull answers. So mike, your argument lacks merit.

SCOTT HUMPHREY
SPRINGFIELD ILLINOIS

SCOTT, lets ignore

the vindictive little retard and stay focused on substance OK?

Pretends to be a vet? Sick animal like that would have been motivated or shot. He's trying to distract from information with adolescent noise.

Don't indulge the sissy with any more attention. He's sick.

Just can't stop yourself eh

Just can't stop yourself eh apparition?

>..."retard"... ATTENTION ms. yankhadenuf - I believe your friend here has some issues with the disabled since he uses the word as an epithet. You, on the other hand, had the decency, apparently, to reconsider and delete your own post attacking me for words I never said. I appreciate that.

>..."shot"... Again with the violence or rather the impotent threat of same. From mommy's basement to God's ears, apparition?

>..."sissy"... And the inevitable homophobia rears it's head as the ultimate insult.

You were only getting started, with the Jew-hatred, as we see now, apparition.

What a progressive you are, a paragon of liberalism and tolerance. Dennis K. would be proud to call you a supporter and Chip and David love having your spew your bile on their board.

Ignore me if you can but I do admit I'll miss the breathtaking display of psychosis in every post you make. Alas, all groovy things must pass.

MikeS , they deleted YOUR post, and therefore my response

Your post was DELETED BY THE ADS STAFF, and that is the only reason why my response to it is gone. I stand by my words. I know what you said, even though your "memory" pleads the 5th. Apparition appears to be responding in like manner to your post that was deleted. True , I do not appreciate making fun of people with disabilities at all.

Most of us here are sickened by the false cries of anti-semitism. It got old back in TV days but it was impossible to protest TV, but noone will tolerate it on the internet anymore and will call it out when it happens. Spare us anymore alligator tears. AIPAC and the Likud Party are bullying influences that pushed Bush to criminal pre-emptive war against an innocent people in a sovereign country. Not one Israeli has suffered and died in Israel's proxy war, NOT ONE. Our empathy amd sympathies are NOT with the Zionists and Neocons who perpetrated these war crime conspiracies in PNAC, AIPAC and IASPS, but with our American soldiers and the Iraqi people.

IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC...PNAC is Bush/Cheney's "Helter Skelter" !

WE MUST DEFEAT MCCAIN!!!

TO MIKE S

MIKE, Please, citing documented facts about ISREAL, is not JEW hating. As it now stands, I am in aggreement with Apprition and neither of us hate Jews and intend to attack and harm Jews. If the Southern Poverty Law firm wants to come and get ME meirly for my feellings about ISREAL, Ill arrange for them to have my address. Ill do the same for you sir, If you like. Just say the word.

You sir, are going to have to except that ISREAL has been a bad boy, and Americans are wakeing up to that fact.

Scott, We Meet Again

Scott,
you are absolutely correct saying that Israel are being "Bad Boys" in the affairs of the Middle East. Most of this is coming out because they too have been infected with the "BushShit" virus, wanting more and more power. Being established as the "Local Police Department" for the Middle East countries that will not 'Bow" to the Corporate 'gods'.
(Note: Just my cynical idea, considering what is going on right now in the Middle East and the World.)

Message to Mike S.
Because someone brings to light "Information" about groups of people, doesn't mean that they are voicing hatred to the groups involved. This site is here to help educate others like you and me so we can make a more "Sound Decision" in events that will affect our lives. By Attacking the Messenger, you are at this point trying to stifle and/or squash the very intentions of this site. I would rather hear "Facts and Personal Thoughts" about the issue rather than "How 'This' Hurt's Me" comments, thank you.

- Don’t Cry Because You Lost Your Freedom, Cry Because You Gave It Away –
Patriot – One Who Stands Up For Our Constitution and Laws that Protects the Freedoms Our Founding Fathers Demanded. Traitor – One Who Stands Up For A Government That Destroys It. St 2/75 Ranger Retired/Disabled

pop quiz posted by apparition

I copied this 'quiz' (cause I like it) and posted a copy on a comment on Willyloman's blog. I give credit as to where I found the quiz. I hope this is OK.....
thanks... jans

jans I cannot take credit

for the pop quiz. I copied it with permission from Charley Reese.

Credit for it belongs to him but I like it too.

Thanks,

Steven

yankhadenuf, Scott and

yankhadenuf, Scott and steveth - I'd like to respond to your posts but as yankhadenuf noted my posts are being deleted right after they appear. We'll see how long this one lasts .

No problem - their site, their rules. I enjoyed the back and forth with you (or I wouldn't have taken the time here!)

LesleyAnne AKA Mike S.

AfterDowningStreet.org's mission is to promote impeachment and peace, and our standards include not advocating violence.

Posts on this thread are being reviewed for content.

That makes sense

Should have known the spammer was a psychotic Zionist female begging for attention. She pretended to be a male, tried to distract and annoy with "noise", drama and adolescent stupidity.

Notice that she would NOT address the Zionist's Talmudic quotes because she was trying to distract attention away from them.

Honest and pious Jews will not have anything whatsoever to do with Zionist elements because they are a sub human evil. Zionism is not Judaism any more than the Ku Klux Klan is Christianity or George W Bush is a honorable president.

The sociopathic behavior, epic corruption and absurd lies in Washington, DC defies logic or reason until the Zionist factor is considered. Once Zionist spying and blackmail are factored in, everything makes perfect sense, including the sleazy media and "9/11".

The cornered Zionists are now trying, in their last desperate ploy, to start World War III. They are hoping to provoke a war with Iran and get Russia and China involved. Cheney is a evil war profiteer and Bush is their idiotic, drunken mouthpiece.

The Zionist's Talmud is so immoral and disgusting that it is unmentionable (I get nauseated writing about it) but the public needs to know about it in order to understand who and what we have been dealing with in Washington.

It is unbelievably ironic that Zionists would have the temerity to complain about so called "hate speech" when they themselves are the original architects of the most hateful, vile, racist, disgusting and murderously evil "hate speech" known to humanity. I wish this stuff were not true, it's worse than B movie science fiction.

So, I will share more data about Zionists obtained through critical research, including who they are. And I can name them by names. Even then, I would still encourage everyone to verify data through your research. You might find data to share that hasn't been seen.

I will not have anything to do with propaganda or lies. Most of us here are already sick and tired of being lied to. Nor will I waste time catering to bellicose spammers who attempt to censor important data with juvenilistic distractions.

Thank you

Steven

Chip, thanks for clarifying the site policy.

I'm generally supportive of leaving all posts up that don't contain profanity but it's your site and your call.

But if you are sincere about a standard of verbal non-violence then why are you deleting my posts which contain no foul language and no threats whatsoever while letting apparition remain posted with such as this:

"Don't you think it's about time to IP/Block the troll/spammer before someone gets hurt?"

"Pretends to be a vet? Sick animal like that would have been motivated or shot."

Sound like threats to me! I accept the fact that your own position on the subject of the thread is closer to apparition's but please be a good-faith moderator.

And again, just to avoid confusing other posters, I'm not *AKA* anybody, especially not a female (not that there's anything wrong with that)! I'm Mike, a 62 yo retired government worker, living in progressive Northern California. If the email address is causing confusion be advised that it's in L.A.'s name and is used jointly for forums etc.

Mike S. Great Info, when it stays as Info

Being 100% disabled, I have been flooding my brain with the issues at hand being written from many great people that are sharing their knowledge and thoughts in regards to the most current events. Most of this information is that of "Opening" the eyes and educating us that need to find out more. This is so much that this Admin, Congress and the Judicial Branch have done to destroy this Nation. This includes the "False Flag" operations that brought us to this point of destruction. To have a "Pissing" contest with the people that are sharing their knowledge with us should be "Thanked" not ridicule for their input. I know that the Israel seen is a "Hot Point" for you, but you must look at all sides of this coin, good or bad with an open mind, so you too can make an educated decision as to where we should proceed. I have good friends from Israel, and they have shared some of the happenings with me which they are not proud of because death done by your own hands is very traumatic for a sane person. There is far to much Hatred, War and Death in this world today and we should do what ever we can to stop this evil before it takes all of us to the total destruction that this government mind set is bringing us to. Please share more information that you may have to the readers of this and other sites, so we can add this to our knowledge base and make the changes for a more secure and safe world.
thanks

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